“It was either I build this at my house or I build a company.”

– Andrew Nehlig

In this episode, we interview Andrew Nehlig, founder of Sauna House (formerly known as Bada Bastu), a Nordic-style bathhouse located in the South Slope area of Asheville. Sauna House specializes in hot cold therapy through a unique sauna and cold plunge circuit.

So how did this all come to be?

Almost ten years ago, a friend recommended that Andrew start using cold water baths to ease his sore muscles after playing intense street hockey games. So Andrew decided to start plunging in the non-temperature controlled pool behind his apartment complex in San Francisco. He later discovered an abandoned sauna in the basement of his apartment building and was surprised to find that it still worked. Suddenly, Andrew had hot cold therapy in his life every day. The benefits were astounding.

Over the years, he simply could not stop thinking about hot-cold treatment. “It was either I build this at my house or I build a company,” says Nehlig. He realized that he was on to something and that other people needed to experience the “relaxation high” he had felt. Thus, the idea for Sauna House was born.

Here’s What You’ll Learn

  • How and why Andrew started Sauna House
  • How hot cold therapy works and why it is good for our health
  • Advice for athletes interested in hot cold therapy
  • The process Andrew went through to financially fund his business
  • What’s coming up next for Sauna House
  • Andrew’s favorite places to go in Asheville


Show Notes

Sauna House opened its doors in the South Slope area of Asheville in early 2019. They offer Hot Cold Relax therapy (a name Nehlig trademarked himself), massage treatments, and a unique wellness community.

If you’re wondering what exactly is Hot Cold Relax therapy, you’re not alone. It works like this: you spend 15 minutes in a hot sauna, followed by a quick cold shower rinse and a cold plunge for 3 minutes in a small 50-something degree pool. After that, you simply relax at room temperature for a few minutes. You repeat the circuit two to four times for the best results.

According to many scientific studies, hot-cold therapy has numerous physical and mental health benefits including reducing inflammation, stabilizing mood, improving endurance and athletic performance, and decreasing the likelihood of certain aging diseases. But most importantly, you just feel good after doing it.

Connect with Sauna House on their website and Instagram

The breathing exercise that Andrew swears by: Wim Hof Breathing Method

Andrew references this Tim Ferriss article and podcast on the benefits of hot cold therapy: Exploring Smart Drugs, Fasting, and Fat Loss with Dr. Rhonda Patrick 

Andrew found inspiration and mentoring through Asha Urban Baths, a bathhouse in Sacramento, CA

Where Sauna House went for initial funding in Asheville: Mountain BizWorks

Stoic Authors Andrew enjoys reading: Marcus Aurelius, Seneca

Where do you take friends visiting Asheville?
For knock-your-socks-off doughnuts: Hole
For breakfast, brunch, and fluffy, giant sourdough pancakes: Liberty House Cafe
For cocktails: Antidote and Sovereign Remedies
For fine dining: Bull & Beggar and Curate
Outdoor activities: Picnic at the Biltmore or hiking at Black Balsam Knob (360 degree view of the mountains) and anywhere in the Pigsah National Forest

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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“One of the great fallacies of working and life I find is this “work-life balance.” There is no such thing as work-life balance because my work is life and my life is my work.”

– Phoebe Esmon

After a few minutes of chatting with Phoebe and her partner, Christian Gaal, it becomes immediately clear that they know their spirits. While they define themselves as “cocktail bartenders,” we see them as much more than that. They are artists, historians, and teachers. They are two fountains of knowledge overflowing with fun factoids like when the first dry vermouth was born and why the VSOP label on Cognac isn’t actually French.

Through their business, Spirit Animal Bev, Phoebe and Christian work with local businesses to help them craft beverage menus and recipes to fit their brand or event — much like you’d hire a chef to oversee the menu development for a restaurant. They have worked with many local Asheville businesses including Katie Button’s Nightbell (now closed) and Cúrate; Gan Shan Station; and Eda Rhyne. They have also taught classes on amari, trained numerous bartenders and restaurant staff, and worked closely with distilleries in developing new recipes. They’ll even bartend your wedding via their spin-off event business, called Party Animal.

Phoebe is also the Co-Dean of Bartending and Hospitality for Portland Cocktail Week, where she is developing a bartending curriculum with Sother Teague. (Teague is the beverage director of Amor y Amargo, a famous bitter bar in NYC, author of I’m Just Here for the Drinks, and host of The Speakeasy podcast.)

Their latest projects include running a soon-to-open low ABV and natural wine speakeasy called Pink Moon that will open up behind The Double Crown later on this year.

We hope you enjoy this episode!

Here’s What You’ll Learn:

  • Why Phoebe and Christian decided to move to Asheville
  • What special projects they’re working on now (spoiler: we told you a little about the speakeasy but that’s not all)
  • Christian’s advice for what to do when you see a black bear
  • Weird liquor laws in North Carolina
  • The two main types of ratios in cocktails
  • Why ice is so important when making cocktails and the three steps to making better ice at home
  • What you need to stock your own cocktail bar at home
  • How to buy better-tasting, purer, and more sustainable tequila


Show Notes

Spirit Animal Beverage
Follow Phoebe Esmon on Instagram

The Four Cocktail Books Phoebe Recommends to Cocktail Newbies
Imbibe! by David Wondrich
Punch by David Wondrich
The Savoy Cocktail Book by Harry Craddock
The Bar Book: Elements of Cocktail Technique by Jeffrey Morgenthaler

Cocktail Bar Essentials
Curacao Liquor, Sweet & Dry Vermouth, Maraschino Liquor (Luxardo), Benedectine, Green & Yellow Chartreuse, Absinthe, Port, Sherry
Base: Vodka, London Dry Gin (Tanqueray), Bourbon, Rye, Rhum
Silicone 2 x 2 Cube Ice Trays
Death Star Ice Cube Trays

Movies
Young Frankenstein
Top Secret (for the underwater, Old West bar fight scene)

During the episode, we get to taste a smoky, Rhubarb-based bitter from Phoebe and Christian’s fridge called Amaro Sfumato Rabarbaro by Cappelletti.

If you have friends coming to visit Asheville, where would you take them?
Plant (Vegan restaurant)
Zillicoah Brewery + Taqueria Muñoz
Zebulon Brewery
Shakeys (dive bar)
Double Crown
Lazy Diamond
Bull & Beggar
Rainbow Falls
Eda Rhyne Distillery
Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest – one of the oldest growth forests in NC

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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“Life is so short and we’re not here for very long. Figure out the one thing that drives and propels you. The other things you can delegate — you should let them go.”

– Kara Candler

A native to Asheville, NC, Kara Candler founded Tick Tock Concierge in 2013, after leaving her corporate job in pursuit of being her own boss.

In this episode, we talk with Kara about how she started and grew her luxury concierge business, as well as why she believes time is the most important asset we have.

Here’s What You’ll Learn:

  • Kara’s story: how she left her corporate job to leap into the world of entrepreneurship
  • The logistical tools Kara uses to plan and communicate with her employees and clients
  • Two hilarious, “off-the-wall” projects Kara has been hired to do
  • How Kara utilizes social media and why Instagram is such an important branding tool for her business
  • Tony and Kara geek out on newsletter strategy and talk about why this is one of the most valuable tools for communicating with clients
  • Why personal touches matter
  • Kara’s favorite things to do in Asheville
  • Kara’s favorite books and topics to read about


Show Notes

Tick Tock Concierge
Kara’s company, Tick Tock Concierge, provides luxury, bespoke personal concierge services to individuals, families, and businesses located in Asheville, Charleston, and other cities throughout the southeast. Their services range from handling everyday tasks, like grocery shopping and errand running, to planning every last detail of a special birthday party or picnic.

You can find them on the internet here:

Website
Instagram
Facebook
Twitter
YouTube
LinkedIn

A Few of Kara’s Favorite Logistical Tools
Square – for digital time cards and calendar planning
Apple iPhone “Notes” App – for communicating tasks and lists with her clients

Kara’s Favorite Things to Do in Asheville
LaZoom Comedy Tours
Golden Fleece
Grove Park Inn for a cocktail at sunset
5 Walnut Wine Bar
Smoky Park Supper Club
District Wine Bar
Bull & Beggar
Foothills (for some of the best burgers in town)
Copper Crown
Metro Wines for buying delicious red wines for herself and ordering the perfect wines for her clients. Fun fact: They deliver for free throughout Asheville!
For Brunch: Rhubarb or sitting on the patio at Posana
Hiking: Craggy Gardens, Black Balsam Knob. Kara also recommends checking out Explore Asheville’s hiking guides, which has different trails ranked by difficulty.

Kara’s Favorite Bottle of Red:
Napa Valley Cabernet by Burly – “It’s like drinking velvet.”

Kara’s Recommended Reads
5-Second Rule by Mel Robbins
Braving the Wilderness by Brené Brown
Wolfpack by Abby Wambach
7 Equities of Life

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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“You do it for passion, you do it for love.”

– Melissa Gray

In this episode, we sit down with Melissa Gray (you know her as the founder and artist behind Cakes by Gray) to find out how she started and grew her cake business in Asheville.

Melissa was a long-time food service veteran who decided to follow her passion for pastry and head to culinary school. In the years since, she’s grown to become one of the premier cake artists in Asheville — a city with a booming wedding industry.

We think you’ll love her straight-shooting discussion on being a business owner (and her trifle cake shooters, too).

Note: We chose Melissa to be our cake artist for our own Asheville wedding (happening September 2019!). We love her laid-back personality, innovative cake flavors, and beautiful designs. Plus, she let us eat five cupcakes during our cake tasting, so how could we say anything but yes?

Here’s What You’ll Learn:

  • How Melissa started and grew her cake business, Cakes by Gray
  • The importance of choosing the right business name (and domain name)
  • Why Melissa chose to specialize in pastry and not cooking
  • The inside scoop of Melissas soon-to-open dessert and cocktail bar, RosaBees
  • Melissa’s favorite restaurants and things to do in Asheville, plus the worst days for eating seafood in a restaurant
  • Advice for aspiring bakers and why she thinks going to culinary school is crucial


Show Notes

Where to find more on Melissa’s cake business, Cakes by Gray:
Website
Instagram
Facebook

Plus, check out Melissa’s new dessert and cocktail bar, RosaBees (opening August 2019):
Instagram
Facebook

Engaged Asheville (One-stop shop wedding studio where we recorded this podcast)

Melissa’s Favorite Baking Resources:
The Flavor Bible by Karen Page – Melissa uses this book to find the best flavor pairings (it’s how she came up with some of her best buttercream icing-cake combinations like lemon cake with basil icing for example)
Kitchen Aid Mixer – Professional Series 5-Quart (Melissa’s favorite Kitchen Aid, great for serious bakers and meringue lovers)
Kitchen Aid Mixer – Artisan Series (perfect for beginner and home bakers, comes in many different colors)

When talking about seafood and restaurants, we referenced Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain.

Half of life is learning what are the eggs and what’s the icing.” – Tony attempting to quote Seth Godin

Melissa’s Favorite Things To Do in Asheville:
Bull & Beggar (for their Seafood Tower and the Lobster Roll)
Cucina 24
The Imperial Life
(for dancing and cocktails)
The Biltmore Estate

The LaZoom Comedy Tours

And where Melissa goes for the ultimate tattoo experience: Victory Boulevard Tattoo

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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Does starting your own business mean you’re more or less independent?

Two months before recording this podcast, we started our first business together called Making It Creative. Although we feel more “independent” working for ourselves, we’re also feeling a surprising amount of dependency on the work we do and the service we provide to others. This is what we’re calling “The Independence Paradox.”

Here’s What You’ll Learn

  • Discover what we mean by the “independence paradox”
  • Hear some of our thoughts (and fears!) around being an independent business owner versus working for someone else
  • Learn about some of the systems we use to keep ourselves on track and keep our fears out of the driver’s seat
  • Listen to our vision for Independence Day 2020


Show Notes

Tony talks about a quote he heard from a mentor related to work-life balance. Below is the full quote and author.

“The master in the art of living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his information and his recreation, his love and his religion. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence at whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him he’s always doing both. ”

– James A. Michener, Novelist

We also shared some thoughts on “the compounding effect of consistency.” Below are some of the quotes we touched on.

“It’s a marathon, not a sprint.” – Unknown

“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” – Bruce Lee

And while we didn’t explicitly talk about it in this episode, we think the article, Continuous Improvement: How It Works and How to Master It by habit guru, James Clear, is worth a read.

Tony also mentioned his system for organizing a Gmail inbox. He calls it the “Getting Things Done” style inbox system. You can read more up on it here.

And lastly, we asked you to share with us your answers to the following question.

What are your favorite resources (groups, clubs, books, quotes, etc.) would you recommend to small business owners in Asheville?

Let us know by emailing us at hello@makingitinasheville.com

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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“You’d be amazed at what you can learn when you just ask the butcher.”

– PJ Jackson

In this episode, we interview PJ Jackson, co-owner of The Chop Shop Butchery. PJ and his business partner, Matt Helms, formerly worked as the head butcher and manager at The Chop Shop Butchery, respectively. In 2017, after years of working together, they had the opportunity to buy the shop outright – and so they did.

In the years since, they’ve made many changes ranging from repainting the bathroom to sourcing different (and perhaps better) pork and beef from local farmers.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

  • PJ’s story of a massive career change (from medical sales to farming then butchery)
  • What PJ attributes to the relatively rapid success of their business (he and his partner’s purchased it just under two years ago)
  • How to tell if a butcher shop (or butcher counter) is legit
  • Ways to get the best cut for your taste and preferences
  • How to make sense of some of the more confusing food industry language — especially when it refers to seemingly healthy food
  • PJ’s secret to a great smoked pork shoulder

 


Show Notes

The Chop Shop Butchery
Website
Instagram
Facebook

Farms, Butcher Shops, and Restaurants Mentioned
Apple Brandy Beef
Hickory Nut Gap Farm
Warren Wilson College Farm
Joyce Farms
Fleisher’s Craft Butchery
Foster Sundry

PJ’s Favorite Things To Do in Asheville
Zillicoah Beer
Burial Beer Co.
Blue Ridge Parkway
(Don’t say the Omni) Grove Park Inn
The Biltmore Estate

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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“I quickly learned that not everyone is your customer. You have to find your own tribe.”

– Sarah Hooker

When we chose Sarah Hooker to be our Personal Branding photographer, it wasn’t at random. There was something about her style that aligned with our vision – something that made her photos different from all the other Asheville-based photographers we were looking at. In the end, we chose Sarah because she clearly marketed herself as a “Personal & Business Branding” photographer and her photos weren’t cookie-cutter – they showcased her clients’ distinct personalities.

Here’s What You’ll Learn:

  • How Sarah found her photography style and grew her craft into a small, self-sustaining business
  • Why career paths aren’t always linear and why Sarah believes her past experience working in different industries has helped her business today
  • What photography gear and apps Sarah uses (and what she recommends for those who are just starting out)
  • Sarah’s favorite things to do in Asheville from outdoor activities to restaurants

 

Show Notes

Sarah Hooker Photography
Website, Instagram, Facebook

Virago Boudoir
Website, Instagram, Facebook

Hooker Vintage (Sarah’s Instagram Vintage Store)

Sarah’s Photography Tools She Can’t Live Without
Nikon D600
Prime Lenses
Reflectors to help reflect natural light
Studio flashes
Speed Lights
Adobe: Photoshop Lightoom and Bridge
Pixieset for hosting online photo galleries for her clients
17 Hats for seamlessly handling contracts and invoices with clients

For those who are just starting out, Sarah recommends getting a crop frame camera, like the Canon Rebel, then upgrading the lens.

Sarah’s Favorite Things To Do in Asheville
Outdoor Things: Sunburst Falls, Graveyard Fields, Black Balsam Knob Earthfare for their fabulous cheese selection!
Zebulon Brewery (in Weaverville)
Chai Pani
Nine Mile
Burial Beer Co.
The Wedge
Sierra Nevada

Meet Sarah and visit her studio this summer with Third Thursdays in Marshall

Sarah is also a proud supporter and active foster kitty mom for the Asheville Humane Society

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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In this episode, we go behind the scenes with Nikki to talk about how she has grown her wedding planning business from a company of one to six.

Nikki Sciurba is not your average wedding planner. She is somehow magically laid back and calm all the while paying meticulous attention to the details.

As some of you may know, we’re getting married this September in Asheville. Planning a wedding takes way more time and attention than we could have imagined and we couldn’t have planned ours without the help of Nikki Sciurba, founder and owner of one of Asheville’s top wedding planning businesses, Carolina Love Events.

Here’s What You’ll Learn

  • The steps Nikki took to start her wedding planning business in Asheville (and what she ended up changing)
  • How she manages conflicts and problems that arise on wedding days
  • Advice on how to write vows and speeches
  • Which wedding apps can help couples through the process (and which don’t)
  • Some of the ways she helps her couples make their wedding days unique representations of their relationships
  • Nikki’s insider picks on the best things to do, places to see, and food to eat in Asheville

Show Notes

Carolina Love Events
Explore the website and follow them on Instagram, Facebook, and Pinterest (some great wedding ideas here!).

Nikki’s Favorite Business Resources:
Google Suite for all her wedding planning and documentation
Apple Watch so that she can manage incoming messages from the DJ and the venues without breaking stride
Gusto for all payroll services
QuickBooks for accounting, invoices, and finance management

Nikki’s Top Asheville Picks:
Salvage Station
Burial Beer
Burger Mondays at Bull & Beggar
Copper Crown
Smoky Park Supper Club
Hole Doughnuts
Hiking at Graveyard Fields

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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Derek Herre was one of our very first friends we made in Asheville. We met him one night while out at dinner at John Fleer’s The Rhubarb, a farm-to-table restaurant located in Pack’s Square of Downtown Asheville. It didn’t take long for us to realize that Derek had a unique story to tell.

In this episode, we chat with Derek on how and why he moved to Asheville (spoiler: he’s lived in one of the coldest, largest states in America) and how he worked his way up to becoming Chef de Cuisine at one of the city’s top restaurants.

Here’s What You’ll Learn

  • How Derek went from working as a “swamper” (aka dishwasher) to becoming head chef
  • Derek’s top-secret Asheville restaurants, eateries, and more (trust us: he knows the inside scoop)
  • His recommended cooking tools, books, and advice for aspiring chefs
  • Derek’s thoughts on making money and quality of life in the restaurant industry

We hope you enjoy this conversation with Derek!

Show Notes

Follow Derek on Instagram

The Rhubarb: Website, Facebook, Instagram

Retro Fit Asheville (Derek’s 90’s clothing pop-up store): Facebook and Instagram

CoolWorks.com – An online job posting board featuring work in really cool places (this is how Derek found a job in Alaska).

Derek’s favorite places to eat in Asheville:

  • Cucina24 for elevated Italian and authentic Neapolitan pizza
  • Burger Gang Pop-up at Broadways (Sunday’s only) and Shakey’s (Tuesdays) for burgers
  • Over Easy Cafè for breakfast
  • Taqueria Muñoz for authentic tacos
  • A Taste of El Salvador for authentic pupusa

Derek’s Recommended Cooking Tools:

  • Ad Hoc at Home by Thomas Keller – Recommended cookbook for learning the basics
  • Metal Monkey Knives – An Australian-based knife maker, Tobi Bockholt makes every knife by hand and can design it to the customers’ specification (for example, Derek has a customized hybrid butcher’s knife).
  • For those who are just starting out with cooking, Derek recommends picking up some affordable Kiwi Chef’s Knives, along with a high-quality knife sharpener.

And the shampoo that Derek swears by (don’t ask…): MoNat – Derek says it makes his hair incredibly smooth and soft.

Music by Commonwealth Choir


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In this episode, we interview each other on the move to Asheville.

After three weeks in Asheville, we decided to sit down and record a conversation about how things have been going and what lessons we’ve learned from the move. This episode gives you a closer look at our moving experience, including what things went well and what things we would have done differently.

Here’s What You’ll Learn:

  • the biggest surprises about the move (hint: we didn’t use a U-haul)
  • the many lessons from finding an apartment without living here
  • strategies we used to furnish our space without going bankrupt
  • and more!

Show Notes


Curious to learn more about what we do?

Making It in Asheville is a podcast where we go behind the scenes with artists, creatives, and entrepreneurs in Asheville. We learn about what they’re making and how they’re making it in Asheville.

Making It in Asheville is powered by Making It Creative, our boutique marketing and business consulting agency. We help passionate small business owners build and improve their sales and communication strategies. Learn more here.


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