064 – John Fleer on Learning How to Become a Restaurateur

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In this episode, we interview John Fleer, the founder and owner of three Asheville restaurants: Rhubarb, The Rhu, and Benne on Eagle.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how John went from studying Theology and Philosophy to working in a kitchen
  • How a study abroad experience in Italy shaped John’s view on food
  • John’s career path, from working as the private chef for Mary Tyler Moore to establishing a unique cuisine at Blackberry Farm in Tennessee
  • What it was like to open a restaurant in downtown Asheville
  • Why John chose to expand, going on to open The Rhu and Benne on Eagle
  • A few of John’s favorite things

Sponsors

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Show Notes

About John Fleer

A native of Winston-Salem, NC, John Fleer is an award-winning chef, restauranteur, and owner of Rhubarb, The Rhu, and Benne on Eagle. He was named one of the “Rising Stars of the 21st Century” by the James Beard Foundation and is a five-time finalist for the James Beard Foundation Award for Best Chef: Southeast. John is known for this ability to transform local ingredients into world-class Appalachian-inspired dishes. When he’s not in the kitchen, you can find him on the soccer field or spending time with his wife and three sons.

Rhubarb

Rhubarb is the first restaurant John opened in Asheville. Located in the heart of downtown Asheville overlooking Pack’s Square, the restaurant serves contemporary Appalachian cuisine in a warm, rustic setting. Visit rhubarbasheville.com to learn more.

The Rhu

The Rhu is Rhubarb’s little sister —a bakery, cafe, and pantry serving up locally roasted coffee, freshly baked breads and pastries, and delicious bites. It’s located just around the corner from Rhubarb on South Lexington. Visit the-rhu.com to learn more.

Benne on Eagle

Benne on Eagle is John’s newest eatery in town, serving up Affriliachian cuisine — Appalachian “soul food” that pays homage to the African American community. It’s located on Eagle Street in Asheville’s historic neighborhood called The Block, connected to The Foundry Hotel. Visit BenneOnEagle.com to learn more.

People & Organizations
  • Adam Sachs – James Beard Award-winning Food Journalist who wrote the article The Second Coming of John Fleer, published in Garden & Gun magazine in 2014
  • Ben Barker – Chef and owner of Magnolia Grill in Durham, NC
  • Bill Neal – Chef, restaurateur, and writer who opened Crook’s Corner in 1982
  • Brian Lee – Guest Services Manager at Blackberry Farm
  • David Chang – Chef, author, and restaurateur known for his Momofuku restaurant group
  • Frank Stein  – chef in Birmingham
  • Gary Larson – Cartoonist famous for his comic series The Far Side
  • Kaley Laird – Pastry Chef at Rhubarb, The Rhu, and Benne on Eagle
  • Kreis Beall – Owner of Blackberry Farm
  • Louis Osteen – South Carolina Chef who helped elevate Southern cuisine in the 1980s and 90s
  • Ludwig Wiggenstein – Austrian-British philosopher who worked on the philosophy of mathematics, mind, and language.
  • Mary Tyler Moore
  • Sunburst Trout
  • Asheville Independent Restaurants (AIR)
Places
Quotes
  • “Barns burnt down…I can see the moon.” — Mizuta Masahide (17th century Japanese poet and samurai)
  • “We want to cook what people want to eat.” —John Fleer
  •  “As patient as the floor.” — Unknown

Books, Movies & Podcasts

 

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063 – Aaaand we’re back!

Here’s What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • What features are available on our new website
  • An invitation to submit written articles, opinions, and stories to the Making It in Asheville blog

Show Notes

Interested in writing a story or opinion piece for Making It in Asheville? Send us an email with your idea hello@makingitinasheville.com

 

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062 – Season 4 Highlights

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At the end of every season, we record a short 20-minute episode to share our favorite sound bites from the season. You’ll get to listen to a sound bite from each interview and a little bit of commentary from each of us. This kind of episode is great way to sample the season if you’re not what episode to listen to next.

Enjoyed this episode? We also have recap episodes of Season 3, Season 2, and Season 1.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

Season 4 Episodes

 

Music by Commonwealth Choir

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061 – Keynon Lake of My Daddy Taught Me That

In this episode, we interview Keynon Lake, the founder of a youth mentorship program called My Daddy Taught Me That.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how Keynon started My Daddy Taught Me That (MDTMT)
  • What it was like for Keynon to grow up in Asheville, NC
  • How Keynon has seen Asheville change over the years
  • The work of MDTMT as it tries to solve a human problem
  • How Keynon has grown and expanded the program and what plans he has for the future

We hope you enjoy this episode with Keynon!

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with Up Skill WNC coordinator, Philip Cooper.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Keynon Lake

Born and raised in Asheville, Keynon Lake is an author, mentor, social worker, radio host, and public speaker. In 2012, he founded My Daddy Me and has been running the program on a volunteer basis since.

My Daddy Taught Me That

My Daddy Taught Me That is a program designed to support the development, uplift, and education of youth and young males. The organization’s focus is to teach young men how to transition from the young teen adolescent time in their lives into responsible young men; focusing on good decision making, accepting responsibility, and being accountable for their actions. Visit mydaddytaughtmethat.org to learn more.

My Sistah Taught Me That

My Sistah Taught Me That is the sister program (no pun intended!) to My Daddy Taught Me That. It’s dedicated to the development, encouragement, inspiration, and education of young girls with a special focus on girls growing up in single-parent homes without their father. Visit mysistahtaughtmethat.org to learn more. Leslie Council is the founder of My Sistah Taught Me That.

YMI Building

Young Men’s Institute (YMI) Building is a historic meeting hall located at Asheville. It has historically housed shops, residence rooms, meeting rooms, and a wide variety of functions serving the local African American community. Today the YMI hosts a variety of intercultural programs and events

Music by Commonwealth Choir

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060 – Aisha Adams on Creating Equity for Everyone

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Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how Aisha started Aisha Adams Media Group
  • 5 ways businesses can support BIPOC and POC while still staying true to their brand
  • How and why Aisha started the blog NappyThoughts.com and how it grew to become a popular resource on social injustice
  • Aisha’s dream for building a work-play community that values equity first
  • Why Aisha started Equity Over Everything and what her mission is for this initiative

We hope you enjoy this episode with Aisha!

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with Up Skill WNC coordinator, Philip Cooper.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Aisha Adams

Aisha Adams is the blogger, social media influencer, and social justice activist. She is the founder of Aisha Adams Media Group and Equity Over Everything. In addition to writing for her personal blog NappyThoughts.com, Aisha has written for publications like The Asheville Citizen Times, The Asheville Grit, and The Final Call. Aisha has a BA in English with a concentration in creative writing from the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB). She also holds a Masters in Post-Secondary and Adult Education. Aisha is also a 2016 My Home, My Voice Fellow.

Aisha Adams Media Group is a firm that specializes in assisting small businesses with remaining relevant within their communities as they increase their revenue through marketing. Visit aishaadamsmedia.com to learn more.

Equity Over Everything is an initiative dedicated to advancing equity by helping to close the gaps in homeownership and entrepreneurship within communities of color through learning opportunities and barrier removal. Visit equityovereverything.org to learn more.

NappyThoughts.com is Aisha’s personal blog. She shares stories and points of view on social injustice, community, health, and more. Visit nappythoughts.com to learn more.

5 Ways Show Up as Business or Brand Who Believes that Black Lives Matter (That’s not just posting on social media): Watch the video here.

People

Sandra Bland was a 28-year-old African American woman who was found hanged in a jail cell in Waller County, Texas, on July 13, 2015, three days after being arrested during a pretextual traffic stop. Check out Aisha’s thoughts on Sandra’s story.

Kindra Chapman was an 18-year-old black woman found dead in her jail cell an hour and a half after being arrested. Authorities said she committed suicide by hanging herself with a bedsheet. Read Aisha’s thoughts on Kindra’s story here.

Organizations & Businesses

Co-Thinkk is a group dedicated to social change philanthropy and accelerating positive changes in communities of color in Asheville and Western North Carolina. Visit cothinkk.org to learn more.

The Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Association (MLK Association) of Asheville and Buncombe County is dedicated to preserving and advancing the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Visit mlkasheville.org to learn more.

The Lenoir-Rhyne Equity & Diversity Institute is a culturally competent curriculum aimed to equip participants with strategies, tools, and practices to build spaces of diversity, inclusivity, and equity. Learn more about the Equity Diversity Institute program.

Books & Shows

The Courage Principle is a workbook that Aisha wrote and published. It challenges communities and leaders to analyze their guiding beliefs and ideals that have shaped their decision-making processes related to social equity and inclusion. Learn more about The Courage Principle.

This Will Be My Undoing by Morgan Jerkins is a collection of personal on pop culture, feminism, black history, misogyny, and racism. View on Amazon (affiliate link) or View on Malaprops.

Failing Up is a book by Broadway musical star Leslie Odom Jr., who played the role of Aaron Burr in Hamilton. This book shares personal stories from his life and inspirational wisdom for achieving your goals even when they seem impossible. View on Amazon (affiliate link) or View on Malaprops.

Self Made: Inspired by the life of Madam C.J. Walker is a Netflix series, based on a true story, about an African American washerwoman who rises from poverty to build a beauty empire and become the first female self-made millionaire. Learn more about the show.

Mountain Madre is a Mexican restaurant and bar in downtown Asheville.

Music by Commonwealth Choir

 

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059 – Jaze Uries on Creating Art and Music with Intention

In this episode, we interview Jaze Uries, a musician and photographer.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how Jaze developed a passion and talent for music
  • What it was like for Jaze to write, produce, and sing his first song
  • How Jaze become interested in photography and developed an eye for fashion and architectural styles

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with photographer Nicole McConville.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Jaze Uries

Jaze Uries is a singer, drummer, songwriter, and photographer. Jaze has been creating music for nearly three decades. At age twenty he left the New School for Contemporary Music in NYC where he was studying to tour the world as a drummer. He recently released his first song called “Touch” together with his bandmate, Ted. Their group name is Tü Koyote.

After over ten years of traveling, Jaze began to develop a new passion for architectural design, fashion, and photography. His photos have received international recognition including a Vogue Italia feature.

Jaze currently lives in Asheville, NC with his son and girlfriend. Learn more about his photography at Yahzay.photos and connect with Jaze on Instagram @strongmagnumopus.

Bands, Musicians, & Songs

“Touch” by Tü Koyote

Ted Marks is Jaze’s bandmate. He co-produced “touch by Tü Koyote”

New School for Contemporary Music in NYC is the school that Jaze attended for a few years.

Stereoreform is an 80s-infused electrofunk project, was born at the tail end of the 2000s.

The Future Started Yesterday (affiliate link) is an album by Stereoreform.

Questlove is an American musician and music journalist. He is the drummer and joint frontperson for the hip hop band, the Roots.

Steve Jordan is an American drummer, songwriter, and record producer. He’s a member of the John Mayer Trio.

The Sun is Gonna Shine is a gospel song. (It’s one of Jaze’s favorites!)

Caxixi is a percussion instrument consisting of a closed basket with a flat bottom filled with seeds or other small particles.

A&R (Artists and repertoire) is the division of a record label or music publishing company that is responsible for talent scouting and overseeing the artistic development of recording artists and songwriters.

Books & Movies

Whiplash is a 2014 film about a promising young drummer that enrolls at a cut-throat music conservatory where his dreams of greatness are mentored by an instructor who will stop at nothing to realize a student’s potential.

The War of Art is a 2002 non-fiction book written by Steven Pressfield. The book highlights the many forms of resistance that artists, entrepreneurs, and creators face when trying to break through creative barriers. View on Amazon (affiliate link) or view on Malaprops.

Miscellaneous

“The skills you really want can’t be taught, but they can be learned.” – Naval

 

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058 – Sarajane Case on the Enneagram, Publishing a Book, and Building a Content Strategy that Works for You

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In this episode, we interview Sarajane Case, a coach, writer, and speaker.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • A basic breakdown of what the Enneagram is, what it’s not, and how it can help you better understand yourself and others
  • Sarajane shares what it was like to write and publish her first book, The Honest Enneagram
  • Tips for building a successful Instagram content strategy

We hope you enjoy this episode with Sara!

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with digital marketing expert, Tyler J. McCall.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Sarajane Case

Based in Asheville, Sarajane Case is s coach, writer, and speaker. Using research and mindset shifts that she has compiled over the years, Sarajane help women find (and re-find) joy in their work and life. She is the author of The Honest Enneagram, as well as the founder of Enneagram and Coffee and @YourCoffeeatHome. Connect with her at sarajanecase.com

The Honest Enneagram

Written by Sarajane Case, The Honest Enneagram is a kinder, more down-to-earth approach to understanding the nine types. The book includes beautiful illustrations (done by Sarajanes husband!) mixed in with highly digestible writing.

If you’re interested in buying this book and you’re from Asheville, we recommend buying it from our local independent bookstore, Malaprops (click this link here). However if you must buy it on Amazon, please use this affiliate link to help support this podcast and project.

People

Sandra Matri is an artist, an author, an enneagram teacher
Tyler J. McCall is a digital marketing expert. He’s Sarajane’s former business partner—and current friend.

Coffee Things

Nespresso Aerroccino Milk Frother (affiliate link) – the milk frother Sarajane uses at home to make her favorite coffee drink: the cappuccino.
Aeropress – the coffee-making tool we use at home and travel with!
Finca El Puente coffee by Counter Culture – Sarajane’s favorite coffee blend right now

Books

The Artist’s Way is a book by Julia Camera about discovering and developing the artist within. View on Malaprop’s or view on Amazon (affiliate link).

Shrill is a memoir by Lindsey West. It’s the book Sarajane was reading at the time of this podcast recording. View on Malaprop’s or view on Amazon (affiliate link).

Places

High Five Coffee – Sarajane’s favorite local coffee shops (the one on Broadway)

Music by Commonwealth Choir

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057 – Molly Dingledine, Jeweler and Founder of Sisters in Circles

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Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how and why Molly decided to dedicate her life designing and making jewelry by hand
  • How trusting her intuition and “going with the flow” has helped Molly find balance and happiness in her work
  • The inspiration for Sisters in Circles, a non-profit organization run by and for women all over the world
  • Molly shares insights on the differences between working as a sole entrepreneur and working with a small team

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with Garnet Fisher, a local painter and graphic designer.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Molly Dingledine

Molly Dingledine is a jeweler, designer, and entrepreneur from Asheville, North Carolina. She has volunteered in Uganda since 2016 helping groups that are focused on girls’ and women’s health and hygiene, as well as working with craftswomen who produce baskets and jewelry. She has been making and designing jewelry for more than 10 years. In 2020, she founded the non-profit organization, Sisters in Circles.

About Sisters in Circles

Sisters in Circles is a global community of women who celebrate & support one another by encouraging creativity, collaborating on projects, and providing service to those in need. Their mission is to bring women and girls together to support their local communities and our shared global village through acts of service and encouragement.

Currently, Sisters in Circles is producing and selling colorful, African wax print face masks. Proceeds benefit relief efforts around the world.

Other Notes from this Episode

Savannah College of Art and Design is a private art school with locations in Savannah, Georgia; Atlanta; Hong Kong; and Lacoste, France.

Geoffrey Giles is an Asheville-based jeweler. His jewelry exemplifies a minimal industrial aesthetic; a combination of bold geometric forms, clean lines, and attention to surface detail.

Joanna Gollberg is an Ashveille-based jewelry maker, artist, and author.

Wine to Water is a non-profit organization that helps combat the world water crisis.

Music by Commonwealth Choir

 

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056 – Oby Morgan, Founder of Capital at Play, on Blind Ambition

In this episode, we interview Oby Morgan, the founder of Capital at Play.

Oby takes us back to the early days of starting Capital at Play and talks about how he got the idea for the magazine. We learn about the first steps he took to get it off the ground and running, from navigating the world of printing companies to selling magazine advertising.

We also discuss entrepreneurship and the characteristics of successful businesses. Oby has met and profiled hundreds of local entrepreneurs and small businesses, and so he was able to share with us his own insights and observations.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • The story of how and why Oby started a print magazine media company
  • Oby’s advice for telling better stories and creating better content
  • The three things you need to have in order to have a successful business, according to Oby
  • Why Oby believes that blind ambition and optimism are necessary as an entrepreneur
  • Oby’s approach to selling magazine advertising

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with Kyle Brown, founder of Clawhammer Supply.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Oby Morgan

An Asheville native, Oby Morgan is the founder of Capital at Play magazine. Prior to establishing the magazine in 2010, Oby graduated with a degree in Marketing and International Business from Appalachian State University. In addition to managing the magazine, from 2018 to 2020, Oby worked as the VP of Marketing, Media, and Communications for Carofin, an investment banking firm located in Brevard, NC.

Oby lives in Asheville, NC with his wife and daughter. He continues to help companies teach, sell, communicate, and connect with people.

About Capital at Play

Capital at Play is a business lifestyle magazine based in Western North Carolina. A print publication, it embodies the idea that capitalism thrives with creativity—that work requires an element of play. In every edition, Capital at Play profiles those who take the risk, those who share that risk, and those who support them—telling the untold story of how capitalists are driven by their ideas and passions.

Other Notes from this Episode

Oscar Wong is the founder of Highland Brewing and was one of the first entrepreneurs that Capital at Play profiled.

VC: an American History (affiliate link) by Tom Nicholas is a book that explores the history of venture financing in the U.S.

Foothills Meats is a local butcher shop and restaurant. They have one of Oby’s favorite burgers in town

Hole Doughnuts is a local doughnut shop offering a limited selection of made-to-order, handmade doughnuts.

Music by Commonwealth Choir

 

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055 – Luke McLaughlin of Holistic Survival School on Relearning, Remembering, and Rewilding

Luke has spent hours upon hours surviving out in nature, even competing three times in the Discovery Channel show, Naked and Afraid. Prior to moving to Asheville and starting Holistic Survival School, he worked as a Wilderness Therapy instructor for teens in Utah, living most of the year outdoors in tarp structures.

Here’s What You’ll Learn in this Episode:

  • How Luke became interested in learning and teaching primitive skills
  • The story of Luke’s journey from teaching ninth-grade biology to appearing on Discovery Channel’s Naked and Afraid
  • Luke’s mission for holistic survival school and how it goes beyond simply learning primitive skills
  • Why Luke feels that knowing how to build a fire is less important than personal growth and trauma release
  • Tools and resources for those seeking to learn more about primitive skills!

Enjoyed this interview? We think you might also dig this episode with Zach Greenwald of Strength Ratio.

Show Notes

This episode is brought to you by Range Urgent Care an Asheville-based clinic that offers affordable healthcare, transparent pricing, and streamlined, friendly service. Learn more about Range Urgent Care.

*Enjoy your first month free of annual membership at Range Urgent Care. Use code ‘makingitinasheville’ at checkout. Offer valid for a limited time only.

About Luke McLaughlin

Luke is a naturalist, teacher, rewilder, mentor, survivalist, and founder of Holistic Survival School. His mission in life is to master and teach ancestral and indigenous living skills in order to help people find their balance and connection to the Natural World.

Prior to founding Holistic Survival School, Luke worked as a primitive wilderness therapy instructor in the West Desert of Utah. He also appeared on Discovery’s Channels Naked and Afraid three times, where he survived in the wild for 21-40 days.

About Holistic Survival School

Based just outside of Asheville in Wearverville, NC, Holistic Survival School (HoSS) is an educational primitive skills program that facilitates deep, Nature connection. By facilitating these connections to self, community and Nature, HoSS strives to change the hearts of people by re-establishing their lost connection with the Natural World.

Other Notes from this Episode

Naked and Afraid is a Discovery Channel reality TV show here two strangers, typically a man and a woman, work to survive together in the wilderness, completely naked. Luke appeared on the show three times.

Wilderness Therapy is a form of therapy that combines experiential education, individual and group therapy in a wilderness setting.

Outback Therapeutic Expeditions is a Wilderness Therapy program for teens based in Utah. Luke was an instructor here for a few years.

Earthskills Rendevous is one of the largest primitive skills gathering in the country (based in South Carolina). They offer two gatherings: River Cane Rendevous in the spring and Falling Cane Rendevous in the fall.

Seneca was a Roman stoic philosopher.

John Young – South African Writer

The Croods is a Dream Works animated movie about a pre-historic cave family that sets out explore a new landscape.

Braiding Sweetgrass (Affiliate Link) by Robin Wall Kimmerer is a book about plants and botany as seen through Native American traditions and Western scientific traditions.

Music by Commonwealth Choir

Curious to learn more about what we do?

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